From A.M.John@swansea.ac.uk Mon Aug 16 15:36:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: csbob@cs-svr1.swan.ac.uk Delivered-To: csbob@cs-svr1.swan.ac.uk Received: from laurel.swan.ac.uk (laurel.swan.ac.uk [137.44.1.237]) by cs-svr1.swan.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA96C18B8D1 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:35:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.44.66.41] (helo=endor.admin.swan.ac.uk) by laurel.swan.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.70) (envelope-from ) id 1Ol0mH-0004LG-NA for R.S.Laramee@swansea.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:35:05 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Return-Receipt-To: "JOHN A.M." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: Data mapping Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:36:35 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <201008131732.48696.r.s.laramee@swansea.ac.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Data mapping Thread-Index: Acs7BX6B9X2Lg9LpSLKNz/IPnLmNbQCQVK7g References: <201008091029.51699.r.s.laramee@swansea.ac.uk> <201008131732.48696.r.s.laramee@swansea.ac.uk> From: "JOHN A.M." To: "Robert S Laramee" , "BRITTON J." Cc: "EDWARDS SIAN." X-Length: 14687 X-UID: 36314 Hi Bob/John Sorry for the delay in summarising what we discussed last week - been tied up with the funding return. Anyway, here's a note on what we discussed on Friday together with some suggested data to start to look at.=20 In terms of the "data", I suggested that this could be split into 3 parts: 1. Background info on population structure, population change, gross value added per head of population, earnings etc... This is held at a unitary authority (UA) level. 2. Data relating to the four main components of the strategy: a. Current provision of HE in South West Wales (SSW). Basically a big spreadsheet of student counts by level (undergraduate degree, postgraduate etc), mode (full/part time), JACS (subject category of student - e.g. JACS 8 is computer Science), domicile (UK/EU/overseas). This is held at an institution level for SWW institutions, and is available now. A data request is currently being submitted to the Higher Education Statistics Agency summarising this at a full-time equivalent (FTE) level (e.g. 1 student allocated to Computer Science might be doing 100 credits=3D100/120=3D0.83 FTE in JACS 8 Computer Science and 20 credits=3D20/120=3D0.17 FTE in JACS 7 Mathematical Sciences). We don't = have this available yet - expected in September some time. b. Identifying where we need additional HE provision. This is where we are losing students from SSW, which we will be identifying by a second data request to HESA looking at where students with a SWW home postcode go to study, what they study etc... Hopefully by doing this, we'll be able to identify what gaps we have in our provision that students from the SWW area have to go outside of SWW to study. c. Employer "demand". Possibly a look at what types of jobs SWW graduates go into after they graduate, taken from the Destination of Higher Education Survey (DLHE). We have this information at a student level for Swansea graduates, but because we have to look at SWW, a further data request to HESA will be submitted to look at location of employment, type of employment, graduate/non-graduate jobs, further study, which will be available at an institution level. d. Progression routes into HE? I'm still unsure about this one and how we'll look at this so I'll get back to you. 3. Any other interesting stuff. E.g. what does our community based provision look like (FTE by where module is taught, if off-campus), the location of our part-time student population. Mainly information relating specifically to Swansea University and which we hold at a student level. It's part 2 I think is the main focus, and a lot of the data in part 2 will come from a data request that we're currently submitting to HESA. What I suggest though is that we forward on part 1 and part 2a (we currently have this for counts but not FTE at the moment) as a start. John - if you're happy with this approach, I'll forward onto Bob the data for the students to get stuck into when they get back in September. If you have anything additional you'd like them to consider then let us know. Thanks both. Let me know if you're happy with this or want to see any changes. Andrea =20 Andrea John Management Information Officer Statistics Unit - ACU =20 Tel: 01792 295644 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Robert S Laramee [mailto:R.S.Laramee@swansea.ac.uk]=20 Sent: 13 August 2010 17:33 To: JOHN A.M. Subject: Re: Data mapping Hi Andrea, Thanks for dropping by today. It was a pleasure meeting you. We look forward to receiving your data. -cheers, bob On Monday 09 Aug 2010 10:42:09 you wrote: > Hi Bob >=20 > I'll come over to you then. We've got a regionalisation meeting=20 > tomorrow so I'll try and get out from Planning the types of things=20 > that they would like your students to do, what data they would like to > see visualised etc... >=20 > See you Friday >=20 > Thanks > Andrea >=20 >=20 > Andrea John > Management Information Officer > Statistics Unit - ACU >=20 > Tel: 01792 295644 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert S Laramee [mailto:R.S.Laramee@swansea.ac.uk] > Sent: 09 August 2010 10:30 > To: JOHN A.M. > Subject: Re: Data mapping >=20 > Hi Andrea, >=20 > i don't think it's critical that John is there. > i suggest we meet this Friday at 11:30. If you'd like to book a room, > that's fine with me. We can also meet in my office (room 508 Faraday=20 > Tower). That way no one has to book a room. Whatever you prefer. =20 > Just let me know. >=20 > -cheers, bob >=20 > On Monday 09 Aug 2010 10:25:15 JOHN A.M. wrote: > > Hi Bob > > > > Just had John's out of office - he's back in next Monday. Can still=20 > > meet up if you think it would be helpful or we can wait until he=20 > > returns. If we do meet up, I can run through the type of data we=20 > > hold on students here and what we've requested from the Higher=20 > > Education Statistics Agency in terms of mapping HE provision in the area. > > > > It's up to you. I don't mind if you'd rather wait for him to return. > > > > Andrea > > > > > > Andrea John > > Management Information Officer > > Statistics Unit - ACU > > > > Tel: 01792 295644 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert S Laramee [mailto:R.S.Laramee@swansea.ac.uk] > > Sent: 09 August 2010 10:06 > > To: JOHN A.M. > > Cc: BRITTON J. > > Subject: Re: Data mapping > > > > Hi Andrea, > > > > Can you meet on Friday 13th at 11:30? > > Where is your office? > > > > Also, i might be appropriate to invite John to the meeting. > > > > -cheers, bob > > > > On Monday 09 Aug 2010 08:42:09 JOHN A.M. wrote: > > > Hi Bob > > > > > > I'm around for part of this week if you want me to pop over. Not=20 > > > in on > > > > > > Thursday and in a meeting tomorrow from 9-11 but otherwise I'm=20 > > > free whenever. Let me know when's convenient for you. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Andrea > > > > > > > > > Andrea John > > > Management Information Officer > > > Statistics Unit - ACU > > > > > > Tel: 01792 295644 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Robert S Laramee [mailto:R.S.Laramee@swansea.ac.uk] > > > Sent: 06 August 2010 13:41 > > > To: BRITTON J.; JOHN A.M. > > > Subject: Re: Data mapping > > > > > > Hi John, > > > > > > Thanks for dropping by today. It was a pleasure talking to you. =20 > > > i look forward to meeting with Andrea next week. > > > > > > -cheers, bob > > > > > > On Friday 06 Aug 2010 13:03:10 BRITTON J. wrote: > > > > Hi Bob, > > > > > > > > Thanks, it was good to talk around our data issues with you >=20 > earlier. >=20 > > > > I've just had a chat with Andrea John (Management Information=20 > > > > Officer in the Statistics Unit - ACU) around the same issues we > > > > discussed. > > > > > > She will get in touch with you to arrange a meeting with you=20 > > > > next week > > > > > > > > about the idea of scoping a project for your students to look at > > > > in September, as a first step. > > > > > > > > Andrea has access to all of our student record system (massive > > > > dataset) and experience with working with socio-economic data=20 > > > > for a local authority, so understands both sides of this=20 > > > > regionalisation mapping we are trying to do, as well as its=20 > > > > general context and what > > > > > > > > we are trying to tease out from the data. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > John > > > > > > > > Andrea - Bob and I discussed some of the examples shown on the=20 > > > > videos on his website as ideas for the kind of thing that could=20 > > > > be > > > > done. > > > > > > http://www.cs.swan.ac.uk/~csbob/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Robert S Laramee [mailto:R.S.Laramee@swansea.ac.uk] > > > > Sent: 05 August 2010 15:41 > > > > To: BRITTON J. > > > > Subject: Re: Data mapping > > > > > > > > Hi John, > > > > > > > > Let's try to schedule a time to discuss this on the phone > > > > or in person. Are you available tomorrow (Friday) at > > > > 11:30? You can either call me (ext 2609) or stop by my office=20 > > > > in room > > > > > > > > 508 Faraday Tower. > > > > > > > > -cheers, bob > > > > > > > > On Tuesday 03 Aug 2010 18:05:50 you wrote: > > > > > Dear Robert, > > > > > > > > > > Our deadline for submission of a Regional Strategy for HE is=20 > > > > > 30th November this year, but to be honest there is potential=20 > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > someone looking at the data to 'add value' almost continually, > > > > > well after November, so I am sure we could be flexible to fit=20 > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > the academic > > > > > > > > > > calendar. > > > > > > > > > > We've got quite a bit of data already, both socio-economic in=20 > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > like the Index of Multiple Deprivation, and from our own=20 > > > > > University databases. One chart I crudely produced myself > > > > > (attached) has enthusiastically been taken up by senior=20 > > > > > management > > > > > > > > > > as it tells a good story of our presence in delivering HE in=20 > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > places of most need > > > > > > > > within > > > > > > > > > the (Welsh Assembly-defined South West Wales) region. I'm=20 > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > with a bit more imagination, and a lot more skill could create > > > > > some > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > interesting visualisations of the data. > > > > > > > > > > So, I would be keen to discuss further. Skype is beyond me > > > > though! > > > > > > > Happy to call over to you if you are on campus at the moment. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Robert S Laramee [mailto:R.S.Laramee@swansea.ac.uk] > > > > > Sent: 03 August 2010 16:50 > > > > > To: BRITTON J. > > > > > Cc: WILSON M.L. > > > > > Subject: Re: Data mapping > > > > > > > > > > Dear John, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for writing to us. i think that yes, this could=20 > > > > > potentially be a very interesting project for a data=20 > > > > > visualization > > > > > > > > > > student. We would be happy to discuss this with you further=20 > > > > > on the phone or via skype. What time scale do you have in mind? > > > > > When will the data be available? > > > > > > > > > > -cheers, bob > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday 03 Aug 2010 16:05:15 you wrote: > > > > > > Dear Robert, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm emailing out of the blue speculatively. We here in PSPU > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > working > > > > > > > > > > > on a project that is going to generate a lot of data and I=20 > > > > > > wondered > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > it would represent an interesting project for one/some of=20 > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > to look at how it can be visualised. > > > > > > > > > > > > We have been asked by HEFCW (the Welsh funding council) to=20 > > > > > > pull > > > > > > > > > > together > > > > > > > > > > > a mapping of all HE delivery in the region, as part of=20 > > > > > > developing a Regional Strategy for HE in South West Wales=20 > > > > > > based on what HE is > > > > > > > > > > offered > > > > > > > > > > > at present versus 'learner demand' (not defined by HEFCW)=20 > > > > > > versus > > > > > > > > > > > > the skills that employers will need in the future. We've=20 > > > > > > enlisted > > > > > > > > > > > > a PGR student in the School of Business and Economics to=20 > > > > > > work with > > > > > > > > > > > > us in generating the data, plus put in a request to HESA for > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > raft of > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > that we hope will describe the landscape to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a look at the attached paper and it gave me some ideas > > > > > > on how > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > could present our findings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apologies if I am barking up the wrong tree by contacting you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > John Britton > > > > > > Planning and Strategic Projects Unit (PSPU) Swansea=20 > > > > > > University > > > > > > > > > > > > Singleton Park Swansea SA2 8PP > > > > > > 01792 602050 > > > > > > 07711 856303 > > > > > > FAX 01792 295655 > > > > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > -- > > > Robert S Laramee > > > tel: +44 (0) 1792 602 609 > > > http://cs.swan.ac.uk/~csbob/ > > > > -- > > Robert S Laramee > > tel: +44 (0) 1792 602 609 > > http://cs.swan.ac.uk/~csbob/ >=20 > -- > Robert S Laramee > tel: +44 (0) 1792 602 609 > http://cs.swan.ac.uk/~csbob/ >=20 -- Robert S Laramee tel: +44 (0) 1792 602 609 http://cs.swan.ac.uk/~csbob/